So Cameon decided to write a post in response to my letter to my mom. Which I welcome her to do at any time. This is how free exchanging of ideas work. This is how the peer review process works. This is what has made scientific debate such a good system for thousands of years. I submit my thoughts or ideas on a subject (including if applicable data from experimentation) and someone else tries to find holes in my logic. They attempt to knock it down with logic of their own. They fact check me so to speak. This is how science works.
Cameon starts out with a "story" however I think it would be better to call it an analogy. It is about a barber who allows a long haired man to continue to have long hair because the man will not go to the barber for help. Immediately Cameon is giving a flawed argument, her analogy is all wrong to this situation. My initial argument was that we can not see or test the concept of god, much less see god himself. The barber is a physical being that actually exists and everyone knows he exists, you can see him, you can see his shop etc... So her "story" is not applicable here. It is just touching.
Deep down Cameon knows that her argument is flawed, which is why in her next paragraph, she talks about things we can't see but still believe in. Like wind. She is trying to suger coat her barber argument to make it sound like it in fact does apply in this situation. It still does not. Every example she gives like wind can be detected through some means, a device can be constructed to measure wind speed etc... The excitement (fight or flight syndrome) can be measured in the brain during "butterflies in the stomach" etc...etc..etc..
Her aunt then gives her a touching and comforting thought. God needs people to come to his kingdom to be with him. So he allows them to die. That is very very sweet. We will forget entirely the fact that if god "needed" or even "wanted" something it would completely destroy the concept of god being perfect and therefore god himself; let's move on. The idea that people go on to a magical place after death is another thing that can not be tested , observed, recorded, or seen in any way. Not even the affects of said transition can be observed, like wind moving trees.
She then tells something that truly pulls at your heart strings. It is a common story to be told by people who believe in god. Someone had cancer and a miracle happened and the cancer was *poof* gone. I have heard thousands of these stories, and what do the doctors say? Something entirely different. No magic, no miracle. Cancer is a very weird thing. Sometimes a human can be so overcome with cancer that they have days to live and then suddenly, the cancer goes into remission. We don't know why yet, but it is something we are trying to figure out so that we can make it happen more often, instead of just saying "god did it, nothing to study here!" By studying how some people can survive and others can not will help us improve cancer treatment for future generations and may possibly one day lead to a cure. SEE!, by asking questions you can help in this life, you can save lives.
The doctors refuse to say sometimes things happen we can't explain. They instead say, we can learn how to explain it if we try! This is how we have modern medicine today. Penicillin, vaccinations, cancer treatment. Millions of people alive today including me and Cameon, that would be dead right now without someone asking, about things we could not in the past explain but now can.
That is how I feel Cameon.
and, I love you too Cameon.
Tuesday, February 10, 2009
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Not to argue with your premise, but where is the downside to Cameon's beliefs? If she is wrong, what has she lost? If you are wrong, what have you lost?
ReplyDeleteCams Dad
I will write about this one day in a full post.
ReplyDeleteBut if you say that... you can't stop there.
So what if cam is right I am wrong?
You must continue at this point because we are playing the what if game...
What if we are both wrong?
What if I am right and she is wrong?
What if I am right but believers are awarded by god?
What if I am wrong, but non-believers (the one with the courage to doubt) are awarded by god.
What if neither of us is right ad Buddhist are right.
What if nihilist are right?
What if deist are right?
We can keep going all night with the what if game, the point I am making here, is that there is a million different possibilities.
The chances I am right is one in a million.
The chances Cameon is right is one in a million. So why trust blindly, because someone told you too. Why not think for yourself?
David I think my Dad was trying to ask if I am wrong but that is what I have believed in, then what have I lost? What have I lost in my life that would make that bad?
ReplyDeleteThe same scenario for you...and that is an interesting question. I mean we can assume all we want to...but in the end...we will be the only ones that know which one was right and which one was wrong.